tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post949301658908373870..comments2024-03-15T00:12:57.489-07:00Comments on Covenant Zone: The Good Guys Fight Backtruepeershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-42797055112873099542007-12-11T15:25:00.000-08:002007-12-11T15:25:00.000-08:00^that's because, unlike idealogues, I'm not sure I...^that's because, unlike idealogues, I'm not sure I'm right. As far as semantic equaling logic, that's a load of shit. You can't just make up words like dhimmitude to obfuscate the facts. The only point I care to make at this point is that criticim of Israel's illegal occupation does not equal hatred of Jews. I don't know why it was necessary to fight through all the word games just to say that banal phrase, but there you go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-7851479066872457692007-12-10T15:56:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:56:00.000-08:00Sean, for what it's worth, I appreciate that you a...Sean, for what it's worth, I appreciate that you acknowledged here that you hadn't read the copy in question. That in itself is something positive. For what my opinion is worth....Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-38229190146291840942007-12-10T15:29:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:29:00.000-08:00"Playing semantics," Sean, is what many of us refe..."Playing semantics," Sean, is what many of us refer to as thinking things through logically and sequentially based on facts and reliable information so we can come to a valid and perhaps fruitful conclusion that sheds new sense on an old problem. <BR/><BR/>Or, as I'm so fond of saying when I read your comments: "Uh, duh."Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-5567790874688669542007-12-10T15:20:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:20:00.000-08:00Oh come on, stop playing semantics. Dhimmitude? Gi...Oh come on, stop playing semantics. Dhimmitude? Give me a break. We all know, that as a common term, anti-semitism refers to anti-Jewish sentiment. But you're right, I don't have a copy of the fake paper and I just assumed it was a general critique of Israel, as it was written by a Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-2030292454127809232007-12-10T02:21:00.000-08:002007-12-10T02:21:00.000-08:00This lot of comments is all over the place. I hope...This lot of comments is all over the place. I hope to pick away at the idea of racism and anti-Semitism as different, as pretty much unrelated. Not here. <BR/><BR/>Survival in the ghettos wasn't technically in a state of dhimmitude, there being no "Pact of Omar" to legitimize the second-class status at best of Jews. Then again, there was no official policy in Christianity of the duty to enslave and debase and, if one wished, to kill Jews. Yes,there was terrible Christian led anti-Semitism, but to my knowledge, which is fairly good on the subject, there was no Christian doctrine of dhimmitude. Still, for the sake of convenience, if not to push Sean to crack a book and find out just what the hell the word means, dhimmitude is the effect of Jews in European ghettos. I wasn't satisfied with it for a long time, but no one in the Jewish communities I approached could come up with a European term to match it or better it. Dhimmitude itself is a recent term coined by our own Bat Ye'or in the 70s from the root dhimmi or zimmi. Perhaps some scholar will in tame coin a European equivalent. Till then, I promote the word dhimmitude for the conditon of Jews in the state we know as dhimmitude, and those who support it and wish to impose in on Jews and Christians in support of Muslim supremacists as dhimmis.<BR/><BR/>To finish, I did consider the term "capo" to describe Chomsky and his like in the Jewish community; but it is too sickening, and it's not exact, maybe not close. They are evil people, but they have a ay to go to be capos. I'm sure they have the ability to do so but they haven't yet to my knowledge done so openly enough for me to make that leap.<BR/><BR/>To finally finish, it is wonderful to see the good guys fighting back, both in Florida and here in Canada in the court system, for what i's worth, to get some kind of judgment on the anti-Semite creeps who produced the rag we had the privilege of trashing. I wonder, and will have a chance to find out, who paid for the paper in question. Then we can really begin to fight back.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-13120540087142082232007-12-09T23:33:00.000-08:002007-12-09T23:33:00.000-08:00You may be right, Dag, if "dhimmi" can apply to Je...You may be right, Dag, if "dhimmi" can apply to Jews in the Christian West, those often fearful of being criticized for being "too pushy"; yet "pushiness", or being at ease in the marketplace, arguing value, arguing with an unfigurable God, is also something some Jews can embrace, at certain times. Why didn't Chomsky become a Hollywood producer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-13384276177083382682007-12-09T20:26:00.000-08:002007-12-09T20:26:00.000-08:00Anti-Semitism is not generic racism according to a...Anti-Semitism is not generic racism according to anything I understand as racism; but then, racism isn't what most people think they think it is. Anti-Semitism is something unique in the mind and experience of Humanity. <BR/><BR/>But I insist that the self-hating, anti-Semite, anti-American Jews are dhimmis. I insist so because there has to be a reason for it, a depth to it that comes from something more than growing up in the 60s and thinking of Left radical politics as a good career move for a young academic. There is a 1400 year old identity of collective dhimmitude to root out of ones mind, most likely not even dreaming it could be there. I don't mean racial unconsciousness or memory but the ideas passed down from mother to child, from uncle to boy, from person in childhood who spoke a word that resonated and stuck for no reason we could grasp if we tried. It's only obvious when one returns to ones ancestral home and sees family customs played out as daily living. I argue at least for now that dhimmitude being the condition of most Jews in some sense or other is passed down to Chomsky and that type without him knowing it. Dhimmi Jews survived, sort of. It was a livable compromise. It worked. And now there is Chomsky.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-57721089642075051912007-12-09T17:34:00.000-08:002007-12-09T17:34:00.000-08:00No, Dag, the word is not simply dhimmi.Sean, first...No, Dag, the word is not simply dhimmi.<BR/><BR/>Sean, first of all the "attack on Jewish people" is what I allege this phony edition of the Sun that I have in front of me does. If you want a copy I can send you one. It is not a question of a general criticism of Israeli policies, which could be legitimate, as you suggest. What we are talking about here is a completely unbalanced demonization of Jews for supporting Israel.<BR/><BR/>Now as for "antisemitism", what is it? Is it just some generic form of racism applied to the Jews. No, antisemitism is a form or racism specific to the question of how people react to Israel's position as the first nation, the discoverer of monotheism and refuser of the later monotheisms, a symbol of Western success in the Middle East, a sign of military and commercial power vis a vis its neighbors. To hate the Jews for being relatively successful, to imply that this success is part of some immoral conspiracy, is antisemitism. Anti-Americanism and antisemitism thus have a lot in common, and they are both quite different from, say, anti-Polish sentiment.<BR/><BR/>Chomsky, a many who not only questions how many died in the "holocaust", but who goes about claiming that all signs of Western success are signs of immoral victimization is, quite arguably, an antisemite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-72597200379326898152007-12-09T14:25:00.000-08:002007-12-09T14:25:00.000-08:00"Is Noam Chomsky an anti-semite? Phylis Bennis? Gu..."Is Noam Chomsky an anti-semite? Phylis Bennis? Gush Shalom? Jews for a Just Peace?"<BR/><BR/>The word, genius, is "dhimmi."Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-52408634428982142692007-12-09T13:56:00.000-08:002007-12-09T13:56:00.000-08:00Since when is an argument against Israeli policies...Since when is an argument against Israeli policies an "attack on Jewish people"? Is Noam Chomsky an anti-semite? Phylis Bennis? Gush Shalom? Jews for a Just Peace? It is precisely because you have all your emotions and religions tied up into the idea of statehood that there will always be violence in Israel. How many Christians have been marginalised by Israel? Hypocrites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-64085439836484917532007-12-09T09:41:00.000-08:002007-12-09T09:41:00.000-08:00I saw that, Vince. To be honest, I was shocked to ...I saw that, Vince. To be honest, I was shocked to see the Florida A.G. involve himself in something I though would be outside his field of interest; but not so, thankfully. I assumed he's stay away from the issue because it might scare him, the thought of voters looming angrily. I do recall though many years ago a girl I was dating saying she was going to Dade U. because she wanted an education rather than to hang out with protesters. <BR/><BR/>I should have hung on to that one, I think.<BR/><BR/>And speaking of plain speaking and clear thought, I looked at the numerous comments at the Gay Patriot blog you pointed out. It's great to see many people who just won't roll over and take any old crap that comes just because it comes. Your point that one of those Leftist fools, Chase, I think, is a Democrat first and gay second reminds me of Norman Mailer, The Naked an the Dead, in which two men converse, the first claiming he's an atheist; the second responding: "When they come for you they won't ask what kind of Jew you are."<BR/><BR/>Stay alive first, argue about it later.<BR/><BR/>Best, Dag.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-42406106870853596422007-12-09T01:38:00.000-08:002007-12-09T01:38:00.000-08:00Nope, good for him.Nope, good for him.truepeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401984575637492845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25624602.post-4391884956814630042007-12-08T23:28:00.000-08:002007-12-08T23:28:00.000-08:00Did you know the Attorney General of FL wrote to ...Did you know the Attorney General of FL wrote to the university about this?VinceP1974https://www.blogger.com/profile/14213974096172795917noreply@blogger.com