Tuesday, June 08, 2010

Sign the petition to classify IHH (the Gaza flotilla attactivists) as a terrorist entity under Canadian law

Sign here

Because standing up for the truth and against the most corrosive forces of the present global order is a good thing.

And because, notwithstanding the humanitarian work the IHH does, its Turkish members and supporters are Islamists who take an obvious pleasure in drawing Infidel blood and don't deny that they instigated the Gaza flotilla fight. The close ties of IHH to the present Turkish government that is turning that country away from modernity and liberal democracy, and deepening its alliance with the most tyrannical and regressive forces (Iran) in its quest for leadership of the Islamic Umma, in hopes of building another Turkish/Islamic empire, is all the more reason to sign.

(And even because it pisses off all the right people.)

B'nai Brith has proposed... the petition against the Turkish Islamist group that sent armed "martyrs" to attack Israel and die to serve the cause of a death cult and the blood libel of the Jews who, they allege, have no right to defend themselves.

Background on IHH here:
Though my DIIS paper made no mention of IHH's activities in Gaza or in support of suffering Palestinian refugees, some of those angered by the Israeli flotilla raid have instead turned their emotional animus on past critics of IHH, such as myself. While I certainly can't speak with any authority on what took place on the Gaza flotilla boats, I'm rather mystified why the flotilla killings--whether right or wrong--would have any bearing on the factual question of whether the IHH has engaged in illicit financing and episodic support to extremist groups. The evidence in this regard is fairly weighty, and much of it comes directly from the Turkish government -- not the United States, nor the Israelis.
and here:
In practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. In recent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks.



Sinem Murat said...


I think you should read it.

"Neither the US State Department nor European governments classify IHH as a terrorist group."

HH has had Special Consultative Status with the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ESOCO) since 2004.

And finally there is no clear evidence about the link between the IHH and other terrorist organizations.

truepeers said...

Sinem Murat,

I see you are new to Blogger. Why have you joined to jump into defense of IHH? What is your position in Turkish politics?

I am perfectly willing to hear arguments why IHH is not supporting terrorism or is not actively involved in terrorism itself, although I consider the flotilla incident prima facie evidence that it is just so involved. I signed the petition not because I have any deep knowledge of IHH but because I want the Canadian government to investigate what are on the surface very plausible allegations. But if you know something, say it. Linking simply to d. Spiegel doesn't impress me since that piece is a fine example of dissimulation - it's easy to raise doubts about anyone if that's your agenda. But even Spiegel says they were involved with terrorism in the 1990s. However, as the last article I link in the post shows, there is plenty of evidence from recent years too.

As for "your" claim about the US State Department and European governments - when the world takes its lead from these leftist/Gnostics who have been a complete disaster for the defense of the global order in recent years, we may as well just give in to the chaos.

But even then, the US does recognize the IHH's parent organization, Ittilaf al-Kheir, the "Union of the Good", as a terrorist entity.

Can you refute the claims made in the article that is the last link in my post:

4. IHH’s orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas’ parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas’ main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish).

5. In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it favors), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival.

6. IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas. Among other things, the support includes initiating and conducting joint projects whose objectives are to bolster the de facto Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip and Hamas’ civilian infrastructure in Judea and Samaria, which also supports terrorism (the infrastructure is under pressure from the Palestinian Authority security services). IHH, which has become an important factor in global fund-raising for Hamas, transfers significant amounts of money to Hamas institutions in Judea and Samaria, including the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and the Al-Tadhamun Charitable Society in Nablus (Hamas’ two central “charitable societies,” both outlawed by Israel).

truepeers said...


7. IHH operates widely throughout the Gaza Strip. To promote its activities it opened a branch there, headed by Muhammad Kaya, who recently stated that IHH intended to send other aid flotillas to the Gaza Strip (See below). In January 2008 an IHH delegation met with Ahmed Bahar, a senior Hamas activist who is acting chairman of Hamas’ council in the Gaza Strip. At the meeting the delegation revealed the extent of the aid it had given Hamas in the Gaza Strip during the preceding year and said it intended to double the sum in the future. In January 2009 IHH head Bülent Yildirim met with Khaled Mashaal, chairman of Hamas’ political bureau in Damascus, and Mashaal thanked him for the support of his organization.

9. Israel outlawed IHH because of its affiliation with the Union of Good and because it is an important factor in Hamas’ global fund raising. It was included in a decision made by Defense Minister Ehud Barak in 2008 which outlawed 36 associations which belonged to the Union of Good (IHH appeared as number 36 on the list4).

10. In November 2009 IHH sent one of its activists, a man named Izzat Shahin, to Judea and Samaria to open an office (in addition to its Gaza Strip office). Shahin started work supporting Hamas “charitable societies.” He transferred tens of thousands of American dollars from IHH to the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and Al-Tadhamun in Nablus, two of Hamas’ most important “charitable societies.” His activities were thwarted by the Israeli security forces. In April 2010 he was detained for questioning on suspicion of involvement in financing terrorism and supporting Hamas, and was deported from Israel immediately after his interrogation in compliance with an official Turkish request.

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Part of a document seized by the IDF during Operation Defensive Shield (2002): A table prepared by the Union of Good containing the names of shaheeds who carried out mass-murder suicide bombing attacks in Israeli cities. It was used to arrange payments to the suicide bombers’ families though the Hamas-affiliated Islamic “charitable society” Al-Tadhamun in Nablus. It is one of the charitable societies Izzat Shahin transferred money to after he was appointed IHH representative in Judea and Samaria in 2009.

Sinem Murat, is it that you agree with the Islamist worldview of PM Tayyip Erdogan in which Hamas is not a terrorist organization?

Sinem Murat said...

I want to say one thing about your comments. First If hamas is a terrorist organization, also military defense of israel and israel army are terrorist organizations

Look at this links; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

"Haganah (Hebrew: "The Defense", ההגנה HaHagana) was a Jewish paramilitary organization in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine from 1920 to 1948, which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces."

"The Saison officially ended when the Haganah, Irgun and the Lehi formed the Hebrew Resistance Movement. Within this new framework, the three groups had different functions, which served to drive the British out of Palestine and create a Jewish state. As Menachem Begin stated in a 1944 meeting: "In fact, there is a division of roles; one organization advocates individual terrorism (Lehi), the other conducts sporadic military operations (Irgun) and there is a third organization which prepares itself to throw its final weight in the decisive war." This united effort lasted for a total of nine months until the Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel's south wing. Although the Haganah had sanctioned the operation and the Irgun phoned in two warnings to the British, the hotel was not evacuated and 91 people were killed in the explosion. Shocked by the death toll and worried about the negative image this would generate, the Haganah quickly distanced itself from both the Irgun and the Lehi."


Espicially look at this;

So in the past, Haganah and Irgun were named by the authorities as terrorist organizations. But today israel is a nation-state.

Who is know, maybe someday hamas will be accepted by the others as a fundamental power for the palestinian state.

Especially I do not care hamas and other organization's status Or tayyip erdoğan's speech. But I know that hamas is a political party in the palestine and won a election. And its attacks on civilians are bad equal as israeli actions on gaza and mavi marmara.

So your arguments which come from different zionist sites, they are all speculation. I am going to launch a blog regarding this issues.


truepeers said...


Good, launch a blog and work through the issues in your own mind; be honest with yourself.

You might want to consider this:

The Jews who turned to terrorism against the British did so because the British were trying to limit the obligation that they were given by the League of Nations when Britain took on responsibility for Palestine after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire: the British were responsible for creating a Jewish state and they were not doing this.

During their time in Palestine, the Brits made it very difficult for Jews to come and enter the land of Israel. Jews were fleeing Europe, running for their lives, and the Brits were not helping them. Every people has a right to fight for their survival.

Israel does not threaten the survival of the Arab people or the Gazans, except in the fantasies of the Jew haters. And at the end of the day, everyone knows this who is honest.

There are 25 Arab countries from Morocco to the Persian Gulf. There are 57 Islamic states occupying a very large percentage of the habitable earth.

However, there is but 1 Jewish state and it is tiny. Furthermore, it is hardly an expansionary force. It simply seeks to maintain defensible borders. It has even pulled all Jews out of Gaza, and "occupies" only about two percent of the West Bank, puttling settlements in positions to defend ISrael against people who have never ever accepted the existence of Israel and who have always been at war with ISrael.

What would be wrong with Gaza joining Egypt? WHy is it that none of the Arab countries want anything to do with Palestinians in their own countries?

So the question is really why do you, in trying to draw a comparison between Hamas and the founding of Israel, implicitly take sides with the big dog - the Arabs - and hate the little dog that is just struggling for a little room to survive? Why do you favour a religion that wants to conquer the entire world, and not the religion that only claims a very small piece of the planet for itself?

Furthermore, why do you compare Jewish violence at the founding of Israel to the Hamas terrorism which actively seeks to make martyrs of innocent civilians, putting women and children in front of its soldiers and rockets? Why do you support Hamas that calls for killing Jews everywhere in the world?

Why do you think that because Hamas was elected, the people of Gaza are less deserving of being blockaded and not more? When we elect our leaders we are more responsible for what they do. And if they turn to war and terrorism then we are more deserving of receiving blow back from our neighbors than when we are living under a tyrant.

Finally, why can't you see that Israel is a successful nation, socially and economically and that Arabs living in Israel have more rights and opportunities than in other Arab countries? Doesn't this tell you something about the Jewish understanding of God and that maybe it has something true about it that is deserving of your respect? It is one thing to kill for the truth, another to kill for a lie.

truepeers said...

Important book:

"Their important new book exposes the story behind the Palestinian "crisis," giving readers new insights into the perceptions and actions of the Arab-Muslim world vis-à-vis Israel, popularly maligned as the "Zionist entity." Al-Maqdisi and Solomon, both raised as Muslims, reveal the truth about the doctrinal foundation of a conflict engineered for Muslim dominance.

The authors detail how, five times daily, observant Muslims worldwide condemn all non-believers in ritual prayers, singling out Jews and Christians. Muslim students readily identify Jews and Christians respectively as "those against whom there is wrath" and "those who are astray," phrases found in the Koran's opening Sura (chapter). This veiled cursing of non-believers has occurred for 1,400 years, even amidst duplicitous attempts to appear conciliatory and engage in interfaith dialogue.

Muslim enmity toward Jews is a special, more extreme case than that against other non-believers, Al-Maqdisi and Solomon argue. The dispute with Israel has a religious and moral basis rather than a territorial one. So its presentation as a solvable political crisis over land claims is little more than a smokescreen for an intrinsic, unending jihad against the Jews. The authors draw parallels between Muslim displacement of Arab Jews from Iran, Egypt, the Sudan, Morocco, and Syria in the last century and similar threats facing Jewish (and Christian) populations today in Europe and the Middle East.

In Al-Yahud, the authors reveal how Israel is systematically discredited by the alleged Israeli victimization of Muslim-Palestinians. The so-called Arab-Israeli conflict provides a flash point and platform to advance Islam under cover of a struggle for statehood and "restoration" of "stolen" land. These issues are cloaked in the vernacular of a desperate human rights tragedy; yet, the authors observe, all aid to Arab-Palestinians comes from the non-Muslim world. Fellow Muslims fail to lift a finger to aid their "victimized" brethren. They sabotage efforts to alleviate Palestinian suffering by refusing to accept Palestinians as citizens elsewhere in the Arab world.

While Israelis are denounced as "occupiers" and history is rewritten to deny more than four thousand years of Jewish presence in the land, the reality of terrorist and rocket attacks by Hezb'allah, Hamas, al-Qaeda, and Iran are largely ignored. The conflict is presented to the West in terms of Israel's recent actions -- the 1948 "occupation," 1967 "expansion," West Bank wall, and "settlement expansion." Recognition of relentless, decades-long Arab attacks on Israel, Jewish rights to the land, and legitimate national security measures of a sovereign state are all ignored or denied.

truepeers said...

In Al-Yahud, Maqdisi and Solomon refer to another doctrine, the Fitrah Doctrine, which Muslims also use to establish present-day land claims. The Fitrah Doctrine proclaims that all mankind from eternity is Muslim. The proclamation is irrevocable and mandatory and labels anyone who is not in observance of it as having gone astray. Jews in particular are viewed as perverted, and they are purported to be followers of the path of Satan for their refusal to recognize the Prophet Mohammed even though being forewarned in the Jewish scriptures.

These proclamations and doctrines help bolster Islamic attitudes in which any perceived criticisms of Islam or the very existence of non-Muslims within a Muslim society is viewed as an attack against Islam. Non-Muslims, simply by their religious choices, are resisting Allah. Thus, kuffars are considered to be in rebellion and must be "returned" to their Muslim faith by "reversion" or by force (jihad). Jihad is always viewed by practicing Muslims as a defensive move against unbelievers for rejecting Islam. Thus, by their deaths, Islamic martyrs receive exalted status, celebrations, and rewards, having gained favor with Allah.

Lamentably but realistically, the authors conclude that there is no Arab-Palestinian-Israeli conflict, but instead, a Muslim-Jewish conflict that dates from the time of Mohammed. They demonstrate through well-researched and extensive citations of passages from Islamic doctrine how the policies of enmity and supremacy have their origin in the Koran and Sunnah, and not in the present-day situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories. They clearly illustrate that throughout Islamic history, treaties with infidels have been employed as temporary deceptive measures to be broken at an advantageous time, in accordance with Allah's instructions and commandments. Al-Maqdisi and Solomon discouragingly surmise that any Israeli attempts to forge land or peace treaties with Muslims are destined for failure, as has been repeatedly illustrated since Israeli statehood."

All of which begs the question why should anyone take seriously Muslim claims about Israel, other than those along the lines of "Allah commands us to destroy you".