Monday, March 12, 2007

Gays and Islam

Commentary by Samir Khalil Samir

Multiculturalism, gays, and Islam

How is sharia, the Islamic law, being applied in the Islamic world? In seven nations, homosexual relations are officially punishable by death: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, Somalia, Somaliland, Yemen and Afghanistan at the time of the Taliban. In many countries, homosexuality is punished with incarceration, or corporal punishment, as in Bahrain, Qatar, Algeria, Maldives, etc. In some countries (Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Mali, etc.), homosexuality is not prohibited as such, but gays can be condemned for offending public morality, as happened in Cairo on May 11, 2001, when 52 men were arrested on board the Queen Boat Nightclub, anchored in the Nile. Iran is the country where the situation is of the greatest injustice: since the Islamic revolution, the Iranian government has executed more than 4000 people accused of homosexual relations.

Imam Yûsuf al Qaradâwi, the scholar most accredited with modern Sunni Islam, writes « Islamic jurists have had opposing opinions on the punishment for this abominable practice. Should punishment be that foreseen for zina (fornication), or should both the active and passive participants be killed? Even if such punishment can seem cruel, it has been recommended to maintain the purity of Islamic society, and to cleanse it of perverted elements (Al-halâl w-al-harâm fî l-Islâm - The licit and the illicit in Islam).

According to the Tradition of Muhammad (Sunnah), homosexuality, both male and female, whether active or passive, is equivalent to adultery, and is thus punishable by death.

The first hadith [Sayings of Mohammed; therefore canonical and orthodox Islam,] says "When a male mounts another male, God's throne trembles." The second says "Kill the person who is active and the person who is passive." The third deals with lesbians: "The sihâq of women is fornication ((zinâ)."

Islam's battle against the West, seen as depraved, will continue, taking on violent forms, because Western behaviour violates the conscience of the Muslim world on important points.


dag said...

The commentary above came to me privately, and it's not directly from me or this site. For the full piece please go to the link.

If you're any kind of human being at all and you find that murdering people for being or practicing consentual adult homosexuality is anyhting less than savage and outright evil, then you might wish to join us and voice your opinion about this and other topics regarding Islam and the mental sickness that is "cultural relativism."

We meet each and every Thursday evening at the Vancouver Public Library in the atrium fromm 7-9:00 p.m. near Blenz coffee bar. We wear blue scarvess and some of ous don Israeli flags on our baseball caps. We are very easy to find. come and sit in the Covenant zone for an evening.

dag said...

"As an individual, I would not want (acceptance of gay behavior) to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else's wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior," he [chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff Pace] said.

John Shalikashvili, the retired Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the policy was adopted, said in January that he has changed his mind on the issue since meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in a newspaper opinion piece.

The difference between those of us who meet openly each Thursday evening at VPL in the atrium and those who meet in courtrooms to sentence people to hanging or stoning is that though none of us approves of homosexual behaviour only one group above is crazy and sick enough to want to harm anyone over it.

My approval of your behaviour is not important when faced with the problem of you being murdered by savages. I don't like people whose ancestors fought their way to the top of the food chain only to wimp out and become vegetarians. So what? I don't eat them. If I don't like something you do, even something you are, get over it. Come out. Show yourselves as people who have the sense to save yourselves and your friends from those who are a serious problem to you. Your hurt feelings are nothing much to anyone. Try getting hanged. You won't like that at all. Muslims and their Left dhimmi fascist cheerleaders are not your friends. They will hang you out to dry. At best.

Join us to see if you can at least later make common cause among others you might like better in this fight to save yourselves and our collective democracy. Be hung alone or hang together. Your call.

truepeers said...

To any gays out there: Dag doesn't know this but I see him every week and I eat little meat other than fish and eggs.

Did our ancestors fight our way to the top of the food chain? Maybe, but humans started out as big game hunters. And we have since found that, historically, the longest lived are the Okinawans with their high carb - rice, root vegetables - and fish and veggie diet. That's what I like, that's what I am. Please accept it but never lose your quest to further moral distinctions, to know right and wrong by a careful study of history and what works for the most for the most part (e.g. why the Jews rejected the culture of pederasty that is still prevalent in much of the Muslim world, even among those hanging gays, and fearing women, I wonder why...). If tolerance means the refusal of moral distinctions, it's not real tolerance. If the West is to survive, we must all go forward together in the refusal of nihilism.

dag said...

I don't really care to think throuugh anything about the kids hanged in the photos above. For me therer is no deep intellectual postion to take, which thhere certainly is and should be for others. For me, seeing thhose boys hanged like that for nothing is a heart-breaak and a source of furthere hatrerd against any society that would legalise and sanctify it. bitch as some gay and lesbians do about the West, we don't hang people for their sexual leanings. Homophobia? Compared to what? It's a prime example of the fallacy of perfection: If we aren't perfect we shouldn't criticise anyone for anything. I ain't that sophisticated. Any state that hangs boys and stones women, even girls, for the sake of promoting some ugly and dirty seventh century tribal code is worthy only of destrucction even if it means a complete reversion to ferality, which might prompt some humanitarian intervention or better, colonization.

I'm a chicken man, myself, not eating much meat either. I did have a weird experience in the course of my travels some years ago. I saw a man with a wheelbarrow of black fish which he told me were tunas. I thought: "This man is lying to me!" I thought so because the tunas were fish-shaped, and it was my wrong idea, as I found out later after much investigation, that tunas are not actually palm-sized and round and flat with fins all round the edges so they can cart-wheel through the oceans, round little fish that one cuts the cirlce of fins off with a cookie-cutter and plops into a can. Live and learn.

I heard recently that chickens are some kind of birds! I laugh. I mean, how dumb can people get?

So, I feel better a bit, though I hope we have men and women show up to take some kind of stand against Islam's brutality against people in general and homosexuals, in this case, in particular. That would make me and the world at large feel much better. There's no great reason not to show up. If, though, there's one hope in Hell of helping save even one boy somewhere sometime from being hanged by Muslims, then there's the best reason for coming out. We don't have to be perfect here to recognise evil of a terrible degree else where. Sit and talk. That alone is a beginning. Say no to murder just by sitting in pulbic as a visible sign that youu won't sit still for it without objection.

dag said...

"If tolerance means the refusal of moral distinctions, it's not real tolerance."

What? You want to sit home alone and watch T.V. or do you want to discuss things with a mamn who thinks like Truepeers?

Time to come out.

Anonymous said...

The alternative to a world with established moral distinctions and a regime of true tolerance is what Cardinal Ratzinger called the "dictatorship of relativism", just before he became Pope. Under this dictatorship, we now have, e.g., the British government telling the Catholic church that it cannot teach its doctrines on sexuality in its own schools because these teachings supposedly discriminate against putatively homosexual children (on the dubious assumption that we are born with a certain sexual orientation). And the British government is also dictating that the Church's adoption agencies can't refuse to place children with homosexual couples. Maybe this sort of thing makes some gay people feel empowered. But it is this same dictatorship of relativism that is making it impossible for Britain to defend its traditions of freedom and Common Law against the different and more primitive forms of sacrality practiced by many immigrants to that country, immigrants with a much higher fertility than the Western population, immigrants empowered by a recognition of the widespread White Guilt and its refusal to defend the West. Don't be surprised if in a generation or two we see gays being hanged in central London. Or maybe it has already happened in certain neighborhoods. Would the BBC that bans discussion of "Islamic fascism" report it if it did?